Terrible - werkgeversreview Anonieme werknemer bij Athena Innovations

1,0
24 aug 2021
Anonieme werknemer
Aanbevelen
Goedkeuring directeur
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Friendly people - but very false

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It’s a pyramid scheme. Not much else to say about it. They expect long days 6 days a week for very little in your own pocket. Despite the job being advertised as a graduate marketing job.

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1,0
8 okt 2017
Anonieme werknemer
Aanbevelen
Goedkeuring directeur
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- They've inspired me to write an essay about how horrible they are. I will use this section as a place to explain the job you are hired to do, no matter what job listing you applied to. You will be sent out every day, rain or shine, to street corners, shopping centers and bus stations, to beg and pressure strangers walking about to sign up to charity, or phone contracts, or energy contracts, or any other company that hires them to 'market' their services. You are responsible for paying for the transportation to these places around the county and outside the county (and you're not aware of where you're going until the morning of). However, even if you live outside the city, you must first come into the city center office only to be sent out an hour later. All on your own dime. Same with food. This forces you to resort to 'any means necessary' tactics to get people to sign up to whatever you're selling in order for you to make the money necessary to continue with the job. - But here's the most important thing to remember about the pay: the managers are not paying your commission, but they are also receiving the same amount of commission as you for each of your sales. Their income is the combined income of all their 'staff', all paid by the charity. The combined commission paid out by the charity, after bonuses, is equivalent to almost 8 months of donations from the customer. The charity isn't making any money either, so this business is a scam on all sides.

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The most important part of this review is at the end, but first I'll outline some initial red flags. - You are paid commission, based solely on the number of people you can manipulate on the street or in shopping centers into signing up to monthly charity donations. Your commission is equivalent to over 2 months worth of their monthly donations, and is paid to you by the charity. Your managers don't have any risk in hiring you or anyone other than their personal secretaries. - You aren't actually told about the nature of your pay during the three interviews. The interviewer tells you that entry level staff earn 250-350 a week, when in reality, they can earn anywhere from 0-2000+ a week, depending on their ability and willingness to use whatever tactics necessary, however unethical, to get strangers to sign up to charity donations. - During the interview, it is said that the expected working hours are 8-5, Monday to Friday, but you find out week 1 that you're expected to be around from 7am until 7pm or later, Monday to Saturday. - ***Never trust a company that posts the same position under more than 10 different job titles. 'Graduate Marketing Assistant'? Really?*** - These guys are manipulative liars. And I feel bad for everyone who drank the Koolaid and works for them because most of them are genuinely nice people who've been pulled into something they didn't initially sign up for and have changed their personalities in order to suit the atmosphere in the office and the manner in which they need to manipulate people on the street into signing up for things. The 8 Steps of Cult Indoctrination - Bear with me 1. Invitation to a Non-Threatening Event - They want you to feel safe, because if you knew that you'd be making their business your life during your first interview, 72 hours a week on commission (10-15 of which are totally unpaid because you're in the office doing "training" or you're traveling), you probably wouldn't want the job. That's why when they email you inviting you in the interview, they tell you not to prepare anything like you normally would so you feel more relaxed. The office is very loud and friendly, with group chants and forced mingling, so that you're forced to feel a sense of family. ` 2. Love-Bombing - As a new recruit, you get a LOT of attention and praise during your initial training. Lots of high fives (which they'll teach you later on is a manipulation tactic to make 'customers' feel more on your side) and telling you how wonderful/special you are. The initial email might even tell you that they weren't actually taking anymore CVs, but yours caught someone's eye, and they thought you'd be especially suited to the role. But what they don't tell you is that they have ten people interviewing every single day because the turnover is so high. You're NOT special to them. 3. Dangling 'the Prize' in front of you - From day one, managers tell you about all the money that they make and how much money the VP has to throw around, and how every single Manager has been able to fulfill their biggest dreams with the money they made in the business. Money is constantly dangled in front of you, like expensive watches, the cost of the gin and tonic they bought on vacation, how much money they spent on food or wine. 4. Extracting an Agreement from you that you want that prize Don't you want that? they ask, knowing you'll say yes. And then they get you to tell them your hopes and dreams, so that they can dangle them over you later when you don't perform. "Meet this guy here, he made 2000 pounds last week! Don't you want to be like that?" Who wouldn't want to make 2000 ponds a week? But most people would probably want to do that ethically. 5. Shutting down your dissent by threatening to withhold the prize - Are you worried now that you've been surprised that the pay is 100% commission? Or do you not like the idea of begging strangers for money? Does it make you uncomfortable that the charity is paying you instead of your bosses? Well, you should know that they tell everyone that no other job or business can make your dreams come true like this one can. If you're acting in a way that they don't approve of, they can keep you from going on the field therefore withholding your ability to make an income. 6. Establishment of guilt - You'll be called lazy if you mention that you're tired or sore or soaking wet after standing outside for 8 hours in the snow. People who don't show up on the 'non-compulsory' Saturdays are made to feel as though they don't care about the business or realizing their dreams. Not performing as expected invokes anger and harsh criticism from the managers, as your lack of performance not only means you don't get money, it means they don't get money. I could go on and on on this guilt one. 7. Carrot/Stick - Behaviour is reinforced by rewarding good behaviour and punishing bad behaviour. This concept is actually taught to you by the managers as you progress to the leadership position. I don't need to say much else. 8. Control of identity, information, and environment - Like I've said, you're working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. They've taken control of your time by day one. They send you home from work exhausted and with homework to do before the next morning so that you don't go home and spend time doing other things. More sinisterly, they teach new recruits not to listen to the concerns of their parents, friends, and significant others (aka everyone who cares about them) when it comes to the job. They also teach you that you need to cut out people in your life who are earning less than what you want to make, after telling you ho much money they make and making you agree that you want to make that much too. Basically, they'll subconsciously telling you to cut everyone but them out of your life in order to make the money you want to make. - They control your identity by forcing you to learn one pitch and one pitch only. You practice it all morning before you go out on the field, and then you're told to practice and perfect it at home. You're never allowed to make any 'negative' comments, and they teach you from day one that you're never allowed to think negative thoughts about the job or the business because it'll get you down and make you perform less. Only a business that knows it's shady would tell it's employees not to doubt the business for one second. Guys, they know that no one would want to do this if they advertised it as it was. This business model is equivalent to that of a pyramid scheme, except much more elegant, but as the manager once told me, “it’s not [quite] a pyramid scheme, because pyramid schemes are illegal.” Not a great defense.

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Thanks for your feedback. It's great that you took the time to give us such an in-depth review. Unfortunately, there are a few inaccuracies in there, as well as some valid criticisms. We will try and respond to as much as possible. Firstly, it's highly misleading to say that we only hire for one job. Later in your own review, you mention that we hire for other positions, so we find it a little odd that you would open with something so clearly inaccurate. As regards commission, when a position does involve sales, and commission is a part of that, commission is paid by our clients. While we are not in a position to discuss exact figures here, as they do vary, managers do not receive the same commission as sales associates on any campaign. It's also important to note that almost all managers within our organisation were in an entry-level position less than a year previous. Getting into a debate about the benefits of charity fundraising is a little beyond the scope of this platform, unfortunately, but we can assure you that the methods of fundraising we use generate significant sums for charity clients, beyond paying the individual fundraiser. If this wasn't the case, charities would not be able to use our services, as they are always under scrutiny as to the efficiency of their methods. Many charities gain anywhere from 20-40% of their income from street fundraising. When it comes to our training we certainly do not promote using 'whatever tactics necessary'. We train every day to make sure that any relationships we build between our clients and our customers are as clear and mutually beneficial as can be. We have many checks and balances in place to make sure that they stay that way. We can't speak for the actions of any individual fundraisers you may have dealt with, but we can assure you that anyone using 'unethical' tactics would not last long at our company. Anyone who decides to come and work with us in an entry-level fundraising or sales position is free to set their own hours, as we discuss in the interview. We have many points of contact with interview candidates before they become an employee, including several emails, telephone calls, and potentially two or three interviews before a decision is made on both sides. At all those points of contact, we encourage asking questions about the job and try to be as clear as possible with candidates. It is of no benefit to us if we spend ten hours getting to know someone who will leave on their first day. We do recognise that there have been communication errors on occasion and we are working to combat this. As regards your essay about indoctrination, we honestly found it a little odd. Our business is a business and operates much like any business. Yes, we want our people to feel safe. How else would you suggest we make them feel? Threatened? Yes, we praise our people and try to keep a positive atmosphere. In our experience, people enjoy being happy, and we enjoy being happy and making people happy. Yes, money is a motivation here. A lot of people are motivated by money, especially in the place where they make their money. Some people aren't, and that's okay too. We are. Yes, if people are acting in a way that is contrary to our company mission we will let them know. We might even fire them. That is called having a job. Cults don't usually pay you or encourage you to leave whenever you like if you're not happy. Thanks again for working with us, and for taking the time to let us know how you feel. We hope you will find something that's more suited to your tastes in the future, and we wish you the best in your future career.
4,0
12 mrt 2025
Aanbevelen
Goedkeuring directeur
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Good money from commission overall

Minpunten

Bad work life balance overall

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